November 16, 2008
Paul Epstein
A little education goes a long way

CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- Why do West Virginia Democrats vote for Republican presidents? After the 2006 election, Sen. Jim Webb of Virginia wrote in The Wall Street Journal, "Working Americans have been repeatedly seduced at the polls by emotional issues such as the predictable mantra of  'God, guns, gays, abortion and the flag.'"

Obama was criticized for a remark in which he suggested working-class Pennsylvanians become frustrated with their economic condition, yet cling to guns and religion, or "antipathy to people who aren't like them ..." to explain why they didn't vote for him in the primary. For many West Virginians coal is also a gateway issue, synonymous with jobs, and threatened by environmentalists concerned with global warming.

Yet Obama won in Pennsylvania, and he did not do much differently here than Al Gore, who lost to "values voters," or John Kerry, who tried to do a balancing act on the Iraq war. Can Democrats counter some of these concerns for more West Virginians in future elections? Defining issues in clear-cut black and white terms has been a Republican strength. Democrats tend to ask voters to think about shades of gray, to be critical thinkers. In West Virginia, white voters with no college education voted heavily for John McCain, while if they had even some college, they voted as often for Obama.

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    Posted By: One Citizen (6:11pm 11-19-2008)
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    Reagan campaigned for president promising to abolish the Department of Education. Since then, the GOP's strategy has been to underfund education at every level.

    In '05, John McCain and Shelley Capito voted with the GOP to cut the largest amount from education in history. These were mostly cuts to federal loan and grant programs to aid students wanting to go to college.

    The rich and elite obviously don't have the same problem as normal folks
    http://phillipian.net/article/36link

    In WV there are plenty of Repubs and DINOs (Democrats In Name Only) whose long term goal is to keep voters uneducated. They disrespect WV teachers by lying about them while underpaying them and cutting their benefits.

    The GOP strategy is to do away with oversight so they can privatize n' profit. They couldn't care less about your kids' future, except to keep 'em stupid so they can be easily duped into voting against their own interests.

    Posted By: Monroe (7:30pm 11-18-2008)
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    This little thread might give the impression that the Federal governmnet pays for public education. Not so, never was. The truth is that historically and to this day, almost all money spent on the public school system comes from state and local monies. The states can accept Federal money but it often comes with conditions like the No Child Left Behind Act. They hate the requirements but love the money.

    Actually, Bush greatly expanded Federal money spent on education but you would never know it reading the Gazette, or One Citizen. There is a lot you'd never know just reading them.

    Posted By: One Citizen (10:20am 11-18-2008)
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    During Reagan's campaign for president in 1980, he promised to abolish the Department of Education, along with several other cabinet departments. Since then, most ALL Republicans have run claiming to want smaller government. Grover Norquist has been recognized as the 'Field Marshal' of the modern "conservative" movement. One of Norquist's main stated goals is to shrink government "to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub."

    So it's no secret that the GOP strategy is to underfund education at every level. In '05, John McCain and Shelley Capito voted with the GOP for the largest cut to education funding in the history of the Dept of Education.

    In West Virginia there are plenty of Repubs and DINOs (Democrats In Name Only) who feel that disrespecting our teachers by underpaying them while cutting their benefits is justifiable. Their long term goal is to keep constituents uneducated.

    MEANWHILE the rich and elite...

    http://phillipian.net/article/36

    Posted By: St. George (10:10am 11-18-2008)
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    A CO-WORKER COMMENTED TO ME THE OTHER DAY THAT I WAS "ONE OF THE MOST CYNICAL PEOPLE HE KNEW".

    SOME FOLKS CHOOSE TO HIDE BEHIND RELIGION SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH "WHAT IS".

    THAT'S OK WITH ME, JUST DON'T ACCUSE ME OF TALKING ABOUT THE WORLD I LIVE IN BECAUSE I HAPPEN TO CARE ABOUT THE "HERE AND NOW".

    I THINK CHRIST WANTED PEOPLE TO CONFRONT THIS REALITY, NOT RUN AND HIDE FROM IT.

    JESUS HELPS THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES.

    Posted By: magfish (7:35am 11-18-2008)
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    Monroe,
    Perhaps doing away with the Dept. of Education would not end public schools but it would certainly do away with National oversight of education in this country. Oversight from the Fed. Govt. has not been good over the recent past but the country needs an overarching view of what education should be for each child. It should set standards for educating ALL students in an equal manner requiring all students to be able to read, write, have math skills, science, etc. etc. In my opinion, all money spent on education in this country should be spent on excellent PUBLIC SCHOOLS open to every student no matter their race, religion, ethnic background or country of birth. Education is the great equalizer and has been so from ancient times. Ignorance keeps people in their place because they have no way to state their case to those in charge. Our Federal Govt. should support providing every citizen an educated voice to express their opinion by keeping the Dept. of Ed.

    Posted By: Monroe (8:46pm 11-17-2008)
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    One Citizen thinks the public school system exists by virtue of the US Dept of Education, or if you do away with the Dept. you can do away with public education. He said that is the Republicans' goal and it is no secret. That's fairly odd thinking, strange even.

    Posted By: One Citizen (11:25am 11-17-2008)
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    In '05 Republicans and Bush passed the largest cut in education funding ever in the history of the US Department of Education. Shelley Capito and John McCain both voted to pass those cuts, although neither the Gazette, nor the Mail, nor any of the countless other media outlets in WV reported it.

    It's no secret that Republicans want to completely do away with the U.S. Department of Education so they can privatize our entire school system, and run it like they ran their country clubs over the last century.

    Rich kids in, poor kids out.

    Most folks don't realize that elite private schools like the one Bush attended (Phillips Academy) allow only certain kids to attend due to their private endowment program. In 2008, they left no elitist behind through private endowments totaling $787 million.

    But, alas, due to tough times, the Phillips Academy endowment is searching for additional private equity sources next year.

    Like this one
    http://phillipian.net/article/36

    Posted By: jes (11:15am 11-17-2008)
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    Former Republican here who was forced to jump ship when the party was hijacked by the Religious Right. I've always advocated less goverment in all aspects of life. Not just in the ones I don't think are morally acceptable. Can't balance out how a small minority should mandate to the masses, how they should live. That any goverment should dictate such rules? It eerily reminds me of another fanatic group in Germany that took a few decades to rise to power.

    Posted By: Monroe (10:04pm 11-16-2008)
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    So the problem is education.

    So the problem is the poor state of public education in West Virginia. So the problem is that teachers are not teaching very well in West Virginia, or, at least, students are not learning. Aren't educated students supposed to be the product we are paying the public schools a lot of money for?

    Aren't the teachers gearing up to clammer for more money? Why? Are they saying that if we pay them more money they will do a better job?

    The reason the state went for McCain is that the public school teachers are doing a poor job educating students, according to Epstien, a public school teacher. Who would know better?

    Posted By: magfish (9:30pm 11-16-2008)
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    Wally,
    I agree with you. I spoke with my sister about the candidates' plans for the economy. She told me even if Obama's tax plan saved her money, she would not vote for him. I encouraged her to reconsider since she was worried about her finances. Still she refused to even consider this idea. I love her and respect her view but I am puzzled that race, religion and social issues trumped her worries about her own finances. I send her articles about the economy but she refuses to read them feeling they are too complicated and are not relevant since she doesn't have much money. This thinking is related to education. Formal education does make a difference in how people see issues. Critical thinking is developed with education. Many West Virginians I know personally prefer to be isolated from the larger outside world to their detriment. They take pride in not being part of the broader society and feel highly educated people are misguided, elite and "sinful" people. That makes me sad.

    Posted By: WallyKeyster (8:10pm 11-16-2008)
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    @gmhoover:

    Perhaps your arguments reflect your own personal opinions, but I can assure that you do not speak for the population at large. As Paul Epstein tried to explain, polls show that it really is as simple as education. From a statistical viewpoint, voting Republican has in recent history tracked closely to having little formal education.

    Further, I can offer that I personally know countless WV voters who know or care little about an effective plan to improve their pocketbooks. Evangelical and other fundamentalist Christian leaders have convinced their followers that nothing is more important than abortion and civil rights for gays (both in the negative, of course).

    Posted By: gmhoover (5:30pm 11-16-2008)
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    okay..let's get real. There are many crazy factions on both the Republican and Democratic side. But the issue always comes down to "it's the economy, stupid". You can talk all you want about WVFL, mountaintop removal, security, war, bailouts, etc, etc.. Each and every one of us is going to vote for the person or party that best communicates an effective plan to improve our pocketbooks. Lower taxes, more jobs, cheaper everything is always the battle cry. Neither candidate for President, nor, did either party communicate that to West Virginians this election. That's why we had a lower turnout this year than in 2004. It's not a matter of education, it is not a matter of black or white, associations, nor is it a matter of whether or not we are educated enough to understand the gray areas. It is simply the economy and whether or not we believe the commercials. I hate to be a cynic, but once again it's all about the economy!

    Posted By: One Citizen (3:33pm 11-16-2008)
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    Mr. Epstein overlooked one major factor. Many voters were misled by West Virginians for Life ("WVFL") through their massive disinformation campaign . And it was likely made possible only because ol' king coal threw huge amounts of cash at them.

    The term "likely" is used because of a recent reversal in US District court allowing them to spread their propaganda without first requiring them to reveal who is behind their smear campaign.

    1. Don Blankenship is on record as having been WVFL's largest contributor in the past.
    2. In the court decision, our Secretary of State was opposed by a host of very expensive lawyers including several brought in through the Washington DC "K" street firm Wiley Rein.
    3. Wiley Rein attorneys have been used by Don Blankenship in the past.
    4. IF WVFL paid for that litigation, they likely spent more hiding their benefactor's identity than they spent smearing his opponents.

    BLANKEN-CHECK/WVFL endorsed Shelley Capito-who actually voted against pro-life issues!

    Posted By: magfish (2:53pm 11-16-2008)
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    West Virginian,
    I don't believe Mr. Epstein was saying that no educated people vote Republican. In fact, I was a lifelong Republican until the party drifted off to the far right and embraced all these "so-called" family values. I have 4 children, 8 grandchildren and we all have family values. They just aren't the Bush/Cheney/Rove family values. The Republicans demand a litmus test on abortion, gay rights, creationism, etc. to be a member of the party now. I left the party because I want a broader view of the world than that espoused by the current party leadership. The world is a big place and there are many people who have cultures, religions, and beliefs different from ours. It is not our place to tell them they must believe like us or they can't have a place in society. Mr. Epstein is speaking about understanding people and issues in a more broad context - not just black and white - but in shades of gray. That is reality whether one is educated or not.

    Posted By: sac2073 (2:34pm 11-16-2008)
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    I am in agreement with Mr. Epstein. I have asked that question many times of why do the poor people of our state vote for people who do not care about us. The people of my county had W come to their little town 4 times and the median wage is $16,000 a year here. What is funny about the GGG voters is nothing ever happens with these promises that the Republicans talk about.Because these people vote that way, we have to try to unravel the unprecedented damage that this administration has brought to bear on us. This man has been such a disaster and he is going to try to do a lot more before he leaves office. I do not know if Obama will be any good or not but he could not be any worse. One good thing that came out of this election though, is the fact that the rebublican party has been pushed to the poor south, and our mountainous region and their block of votes are not going to count for so much anymore.

    Posted By: Get real! (10:43am 11-16-2008)
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    I agree with much of what Mr. Epstein says. Republicans have been running the "bait and switch" with voters for decades. There can be no doubt they have duped the religious crowd with their anti-gay/anti-abortion message. How long have republican appointees had a majority on the supreme court? Several decades. The count is currently 7-2, but nothing has been done to overturn Roe v Wade. Yet time and time again, religious voters continue to support republicans, to their own detriment. Reminds me of the headline after Bush's second election, "How can 59 million people be that stupid"!

    Posted By: gmhoover (9:08am 11-16-2008)
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    Interesting article. I certainly support more West Virginians attending a college, university, or vocational school after high school and I agree that one key to success is higher education. But, I do not support the thesis that you have to be an educated critical thinker to understand issues well enough to vote Democratic. How about this thesis; West Virginia people will vote for, or against any candidate which plainly expresses their position on the issues, if the candidate has a history or relationship with that issue. We want to be able to hold the candidate accountable for promises made during a campaign. If the candidate speaks their position vaguely (gray; not black and white), or changes message depending upon who is listening; no one will trust them. As for voting for the good of our own pocketbook, it remains to be seen if any of us will have a pocketbook left to vote for. In any case, I am tired of a government of the politicians, by the politicians, and for the politicians.

    Posted By: WEST VIRGINIAN (6:55am 11-16-2008)
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    Obviously the writer, Paul Epstein, does not know what he is talking about.

    Many well educated people voted for John McCain,I recall in college a Professor talking about politics in West Virginia, and he informed the class he always votes STRAIGHT REPUBLICAN.

    Their are many Teachers in West Virginia that voted for John McCain.

    I would hope that anyone with any education would not want their children to be in Paul Epstein's class, as he knows not of what he writes.

    Posted By: magfish (5:32am 11-16-2008)
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    Good article. I wrote a letter explaining my Obama vote to my brother and sister who supported John McCain and voted against Obama because he is "black, for abortion, supports gays and would take away their guns". I moved away from WV many years ago and began seeing more gray areas and learning there is a depth to issues many politicians don't want us to see. I protested the Vietnam war in the 60's and 70's and was/am against the war in Iraq. I understood that Bush/Rove/Cheney were lied about many things and were lying about Iraq too. My family members are convinced that "Arabs" would be fighting us in West Virginia if Bush had not started the war in Iraq. How people can be so brainwashed by leaders was shown this week on CNN with the Jonestown special. 900+ people were taken to Guyana where they died because they followed a false leader. Many people need to question leaders and seek the truth, not follow lies.

    Posted By: One Citizen (3:33am 11-16-2008)
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    Mr. Epstein overlooked one major factor. Huge numbers of voters have been misled by West Virginians for Life ("WVFL") in their massive campaign to spread disinformation. And it was likely made possible only because ol' king coal threw huge amounts of cash at them.

    The term "likely" is used because of a recent reversal in US District court allowing them to spread "pro-life" propaganda without first revealing who is behind their lies targeting certain candidates.

    1. Don Blankenship is on record as having been WVFL's largest contributor in the past.
    2. In the court decision, our Secretary of State was opposed by a host of very expensive lawyers including several brought in through the Washington DC "K" street firm Wiley Rein.
    3. Wiley Rein attorneys have been used by Don Blankenship in the past.
    4. If WVFL paid for that litigation, they likely spent more to hide their benefactor's identity than they spent smearing his opponents.

    TIP: WVFL is NOT a religious organization!

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