November 5, 2009
AARP West Virginia endorses House health bill
CHARLESTON, W.Va. --
AARP West Virginia joined its national organization Thursday in backing the health-care overhaul proposal that is pending in the U.S. House of Representatives.
The seniors group believes the bill will end insurer discrimination based on age and pre-existing conditions, help older Americans afford prescription drugs, and protect Medicare, said AARP senior state director Gaylene Miller.
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I guess that only applies to conservative posters and not the "Howard Dean" paid bloggers who occasionally contribute to the op-ed page.
And to think I received a warnign to me from the managing editor of the Gazette via my personal email for sending a from my private email to his private email my feelings on his personal attack on me. The fact that it in NO way involved the Gazette or their servers didn't seem to matter to the two individuals who 'warned' me to stop or I would be banned from the Gazette site.
Just more of those things that make you go HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
Whether on the internet, or at townhall meetings, or at "astroturf" events (like the recent Michelle Bachmann Teabag-O-Rama at the Capitol in D.C. last week), right wing trolls typically use race-baiting, cat-calling and silly lies to disrupt the flow of real information
There are professionally trained online right wing trolls paid just to confuse and frustrate the public into not actively taking part in open discussions
MUCH MORE HERE
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Astroturf_blogging
ALSO SEE
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/themix/37619/
AND
http://tinyurl.com/ybjyosw
By the way, there are now 50 rightwing astroturf events planned all across the country just to stop Obamacare
http://tinyurl.com/PACADERM-is-LYING
It could be that he's embarrassed because the House Republican Plan aided their industrial use of illegal workers by expanding U.S. coverage to include “Sweatshop Insurance”.
Their proposal tried to explicitly expand the definition of ‘State’ to include not just D.C. and Puerto Rico, but adds BY NAME the Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa and Jack Abramoff’s favorite client the Northern Marianas home of the ‘Made in the USA’ Chinese-owned slave labor sweatshops!
See pages 121-122 of the House Repub bill at this link (pdf):
http://tinyurl.com/yf2h674
Now, pacaderm, if you believe the House just passed a bill which would provide free health insurance to illegals, then why don't you post ANOTHER link which proves it? Because the last one you posted actually revealed that it was YOU who was lying, and race-baiting to boot
Pacaderm posted
"The "Hispanic Caucus" has seen to it that we can continue to pay for illegal immigrants medical insurance"
He then offered proof which revealed that he was lying when he posted a link to a site which quotes a Republican study of the Dems health care proposal:
"In the November 2, 2009 CRS report on immigration and healthcare, the House bill contains "no express restrictions on noncitizens – whether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently – accessing and paying for coverage available through the health insurance exchange”
http://tinyurl.com/yfjj85h
So PACADERM's OWN SOURCE, a REPUBLICAN study, contradicted his lie that "we can continue to pay" to provide health care for illegals
In other words, "WE" don't pay for their health care now, unless, of course, they go in for emergency treatment!
It is also not surprising that pacaderm's source used obvious race-baiting tactics.
Sure the fed gov taxes are holding steady, but you certainly won't be getting any back, even though, they, are doing less, and your insurance rates are going up, up, up.
Something needs to be done. Talk is cheap. Good hard working People are falling through the cracks.
Considering the population is going to double by 2050, you're right.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/121970/nearly-insured-government-coverage-2008.aspx
Government insured percentages have increased 2% over the past year.
If it keeps this up, we will have more than the 46 million in 6 years; even if we don’t count any of the current 46 million.
I have only seen a few lies posted of late. They all belong to you. The one where you claimed the majority of Americans are uninsured and then, claimed that the UNINSURED paid higher premiums. Its almost a bigger whopper than the 46 MILLION uninsured Americans you keep slobbering about, when there are not. Why do you keep including illegal aliens in your 46 million number and then go ballistic when I point it out? Are you bonkers?
However if I must here is some good reading on illegals included in Pelosi's bill you leeches are running down our throats. I know OC, the Gazette didn't print it and Olberman forgot to mention it too.
http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=555&pst=1399002
This should be changed. We should allow all our Vets to have free medical care at the VA. To many other programs taking money away from programs that should be funded. You put in the time you deserve that would not take that away at all. It would not help your family but it would you. You are right sad day when a Vet can not get helath care but we are going to give it to the guys that have done nothing. This is another reason I hate this bill.
How about this Tp, give all VETS free healthcare for life and get rid of this bill. I will be all fo that, (not a vet). At least you guys did something to deserve it.
I simply said you have a way to get insurance and you choose not to. You are right that is your right, but it is not your right to get a reduced or free benefit at someone elses expense because you make that choice period.
As for me I do prosper. I have my own home I also have insurance on it so if I lose my job they pay my payments for two years. I put 20% of what I make away in 401k no matter how little you think it is. I have a son going to college and wants to be a Doctor. It is hard but a choice we make.
I never once belittled you or said you to be a dead beat. I simply am pointing out you COULD if you choose to have insurance. You choose money over the insurance, that is fine and is your right, but you could have insurance.
P.S. thank you for your service to this great country Happy V day on Wednesday
If you have not reached the point you are willing to cut back and take a lower paying job for benefits then you are not that bad off. Yes we pay more in premiums a month than a car or house payment. So let me get this straight you will not work for a job with benefits unless you make as much as you do now? Talk about me being self righteous!!!!
They can Taxpayer but they won't. It starts with removing the state insurance commissions and allowing you to purchase insurance across state lines. It includes giving co-op's and individuals the same tax breaks that they do corporations AND labor unions.
What if you could join a co-op of self employed contractors and negotiate nationally for health insurance as unions and corp do.
There are answers to this problem without involving the government but the left doesn't want to hear them because they don't include another massive bureaucracy that will overtake another aspect of our life and add trillions to our national debt.
What the government needs to do is eliminate pre-existing conditions, usual and customary charges, state insurance commissions, and require bundling making it illegal for 3 different departments to bill you for one procedure.
A start????
http://tinyurl.com/PACADERM-is-LYING
It could be he's embarrassed because the House Republican Plan aided their industrial use of illegal workers by expanding U.S. coverage to include “Sweatshop Insurance”!
Their proposal would explicitly expand the definition of ‘State’ to include not just D.C. and Puerto Rico, but adds BY NAME the Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa and Jack Abramoff’s favorite client the Northern Marianas home of the ‘Made in the USA’ Chinese-owned slave labor sweatshops!
See pages 121-122 of the House Repub bill at this link (pdf):
http://tinyurl.com/yf2h674
Now, pacaderm, if you believe the House just passed a bill which would provide free health insurance to illegals, then why don't you post a link which proves it? After all, Republican leaders have been lying about it for months in support of their GOP viral email LIES.
Said congressman was pilloried by the OC types at MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS who make their living proping up Democrats.
Well, President Empty Suit did lie.....again.
The "Hispanic Caucus" has seen to it that we can continue to pay for illegal immigrants medical insurance.
And folks wonder why we don't all jump on the libtard bandwagon.
http://tinyurl.com/Murderous-Greed
Studies show that the health care industry presently squanders a whoppin' $1.4 TRILLION per year
http://tinyurl.com/yk7twyq
That's why a pretty good chunk of that goes towards "financing" your lawmakers' campaigns. Here's proof positive that all the insurance industry money is well spent on Republicans.
http://tinyurl.com/GOP-GONE-WILD
You're wrong about one thing Billy. The Dems are not going to punish the 85% who are happy with their coverage for 15%, they are going to punish you (I say you because I currently am uninsured but still do not support this partisan bill) for 11% of the people. The partisan bill will only gurantee coverage for 96% of the people.
How affordable? How much will a premium run me per month?
The fact of the matter is that the Big Pharma Cartel has a supreme hold over our government, and this is, most likely, why we do not see any discussions about these very real, underlying problems.
Rogers begins by stating:
“Abraham Lincoln said, ‘You can’t make a weak man strong by making a strong man weak…
… We’re going to punish the 85 percent of Americans who have earned health care benefits as part of their employment; we’re going to punish them, and the employers who give it to them, to try to cover the 15 percent that don’t have it.
Why would we punish the part that’s working to cover the part that’s not?”
Personally, I don’t think the current health insurance and health care models are working at all, but I agree that the reforms currently on the table will not solve our problems.
For example, where is the debate about WHY the US health care system is the absolute most expensive in the world?
Rick Clay
Even member of Congress has Government supported health care, even the Republicans....Have you heard of any Republicans who are opposed to the Public Option (the government plan) canceling their government health insurance????
ALSO, EVERY MEMBER, FROM BOTH PARTIES WHO OPPOSE THE GOVERNMENT PLAN HAVE RECEIVED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN CAMPAIGN FUNDS.... Give me one or two million dollars and I will say whatever you want too...
PS: ANOTHER FACT, MANY RELATIVES OF MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WORK FOR THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY... THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL "HOME COOKING."
ALSO, The Republicans today say they have their own plan for health care.... When the Republicans were in power for 8 years, tell me about one bill they propose on health care for the working poor...
A RECENT STUDY SAID THEIR IS BETWEEM 500,000,000 TO 1 TRILLIONS WASTE EVERY YEAR IN HEALTH CARE... This is what the insurance companies are fighting to protect....
Danno, why would you prefer a plan about which you know little or nothing? Or, have you seen a copy of the proposed premiums? If you have seen such, please share with Aa as he has been looking for some coverage. Will you be elgible for one of those tax credit things wherein govt pays part of your premium? The last I saw they would pay up to 25% of your premium if earnings were less than $84G. Sounds too good to be true that someone can assist in paying expenses of another making $84G. This is a great country, ain't it.
LOL. That's rich malfoy. The ONLY reason you don't debate me is becasue you CAN'T. You've NEVER answered one single question I've put forth to you, including the ones today. And it's not just me. I've seen other posters ask you reasonable questions and you run like a scalded dog every time.
All you do is post partisan tripe and when you do, you're put in your place by me or someone like me.
Now, I ask a question and you said it didn't apply to me. I showed you that it did and you come back with that weak garbage. If you don't know the answer to the question, at least be man enough and say so.
I don't know which is more pathetic, you or your weak arguments.
We have had them for decades run by the insurance companies....
Need an operation, who does your doctor have to call - The INSURANCE COMPANY for permission...
I will take the government in control over my health care than the insurance company any day... The reason why is simple...
That government workers pay is not determined if my care is accepted or rejected... On the other hand - Insurances are run for PROFIT - the CEO's make millions of dollars and their employees get BONUSES if the company makes profit - And that's not evning talking about the STOCKHOLDERS....
Since Weirton Steel went under my pension and insurance comes from two government agencies - P.B.G.C. and the H.C.T.C....
In the 6 years since I lost my job, I can tell you one thing - both government agencies are very professional and well run... AND WHEN YOU CALL THEM - TO TALK TO A REAL PERSON..
It most certainly is about me. I lost my coverage on September 30th and am currently uninsured. I am looking at some catastrophic plans and some high deductible plans. I'm also fighting to have my cobra amount reduced as I was laid off due to Obama's economy.
But just because I have no insurance doesn’t mean I’ll support a public option. I want to know what the cost is going to be, what it will cover and what the cost will be to the taxpayers. So why is it no one can answer that simple question?
I will say that if I could join a co-op and purchase my insurance from AZ or TX that would save me the most money. And if Democrats wanted real reform, eliminating state lines and insurance commissions would be a great start, as would eliminating pre-existing conditions.
Besides, as a taxpayer, I want to know what lib’s public option will cost.
So how come no one can tell me what my cost will be, both in premiums and out of pocket expense and what my coverage will be for those cost? You noticed how Malfoy ducted the question but the thing is, he has no clue what he's talking about as my next post will show.
AMA HAS FEW MEMBERS FROM WORKING MEDICAL DOCTORS. AMA is more of a fraternity made up of those teaching doctors and medical students.
Does that little tidbit of info affect your stance on the AMA contribution to the proposed healthcare plan(s)?
This revalation was made several weeks ago when there was a study,covered on TV, being presented by doctors at Mayo and I believe Cleveland Clinic and another major that I cannot recall. The presentation was by practicing doctors and administrators of the systems being reviewed. They suggested doctors dropped their membership from AMA shortly after they began practice and got away from the teaching influence. To that time, I too thought AMA was more of a doctor union, but they disspelled my misconception.
Rick Clay, you make me sick. Death Panel. That LIE has been diffused, but I'm sure you think if you keep repeating it, you'll get some gullible seniors to believe it again.
So obviously a sheep of the RNC. A sheep that doesn't even deserve to be fed.
Rick Clay
Rick Clay
rclay36@aol.com
http://www.aarphealthcare.com/
Who do you think is in line to get the bulk of the senior customers through a government contract once Medicare Advantage is pulled off the table, which the elimination of is President Obama's idea of Medicare 'savings'?
I read one estimate where AARP stands to gain half a billion dollars a year in new business for their insurance division if the public option is passed.
I've ask it numerous times, to the editors of the Gazette, to Ted Boettner at the West Virginia Center on Budget and Policy, to the paid bloggers on this site (even though many are one in the same) and to countless other supporters of the public option.
As you sick to death (since you've overcome death to post your opinion) I'll ask you Malfoy.
How much is this policy going to cost me, what will be the split, will I have to pay a deductible for my doctors visit, how much will my deductible be, for how many in my family and will there be dental and vision.
At my old company, for about $85 dollars a week, I got BCBS 85/15, no deductible for doctors visit, only a $15 co-pay, $200 deductible for hospital, no deductible for preventive care, D and V.
So how does this public option compare for my cost?
Blind support of a pig in a poke is suspicious.
If access to health services is a problem, that should be addressed directly.
If cost is a problem, that should be addressed directly.
No one is claiming this bill addresses cost, the driver of all the problems in the transfer payment system (Public and Private).
Get on the Schtick, Find direct Solutions to Directly Identified problems.
A 'titantic' piece of legislation is very, very suspicious.
The Health Transfer Payment system (public and Private 'insurance') is very complicated, with inter-related components. Some don't feel confident that Liegislators are astute enough to recognize that, and judge the long term net affect of even some of the simplest of changes.
For instance, If you cut Medicare pay by 10%; How much does Medicaid pay go down? How much does Private Pay go up? What's the Net Affect on Hospital Solvency? Are Rural Clinics affected? In what way?
Be careful what you wish for.
Your discount today may become your demise tomorrow. AARP is a
Judas-goat. The current liberal-health proposal will be the end of the best health care in the world. I will not join AARP because they are sell-outs.
I didn't get overly excited by the AARP's endorsement, but the AMA (you know, doctors) endorsing this plan does speak volumes. Doctors are the ones that have had to pay particular attention to these bills to make sure it wouldn't affect them adversely.
I get sick to death listening to all of you new neo-cons put down every attempt at offering your AMERICAN brothers and sisters affordable healthcare, yet none of you are or have offered a plan of your own. I am an independent, but I have to ask... What has the Republican party done to bring affordable healthcare to all Americans? What?? *crickets chirping* Nothing. All they have done is sit back and shoot holes in everything that is brought before them.
Pitiful.
So now lets give them the health care prize? Does that make any sense at all?
West Virginians need a break from the Democrats. How long have they been in power? Look at what they have done for the state. It's a no-brainer.
Will AARP cut the costs of their Supplemental Polices, that increase with age?
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Meanwhile, many thousands of Seniors are opposed to any quick action, let there be the time to permit the Citizens react.